By the way Peach baby, are you advocating abortion as a method of saving the children from a life of poverty? Do you support abortion on demand? How does that square with your so called Christian beliefs? You admonish us against preemptive war but seem to relish preemptiveness when it comes to murdering the innocent in their mothers womb.

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here we go again.
Choice.
A woman and a man choose to have coitus.
They take the calculation of consequence.
Irresponsible risks are still their consequence.
Choice.
Now the choice is what about the coming baby
Even if they were a committed couple, we in America
do not have a pregnancy alone.
A poor destitute couple( and my wife were that couple)
can have a healthy and
relatively safe delivery in a State facility
( although PC regs are a horror)
Even a sole woman can do it.
( MY mother did)
RAISING a child is NOT
as short a range devision
and CHOICES.

Choice.
If a woman ( after having coitus with a man she was NOT committed to)-
( rape; a very ancient CRIME.
If it makes a pregnancy
the woman is NOT alone
in this unwanted burden.
The community should and does help and provide)
decides to terminate her pregnancy, she MUST enlist another's help.
"remedies" can be pursued of holistic nature..
but an "abortion" is a medical procedure ( whichever method is used..
it ain't being done in a showroom)and so involves a Medico;
a doctor or a nurse level practitioner
who ABBROGATES their Hippocratic Oath

Choice.
The woman is in need of others to accomplish her end.
The medico can and does make a personal choice.
A State may or may not make regulations and laws
concerning the activities of the medical profession.
butthe issue became
FEDERAL when an activist org( planned parenthood et al)
found a case to turn a womans choice into a National issue.

Choice.

Why is this an issue of taxpayer participation?
Why did this become an argument?
A woman makes decisions .The fewest she enlists to solve HER
dilemma.. a moral choice..
the better.
If the state has to pay for destitute women's choices..
Why aren't the taxpayers involved in remedying( sic)
the poor choices made?

Excellent post Phil and the very question I asked our resident false prophet. Why is socialism and government invovlement the only issue? And why, as a taxpaper who is required to pay for the child, do I have no "right" to say how that child will be raised? If I am going to pay for your mistake should I not have some right to make decisions for you in the future since you obviously cannot do so yourself?

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If an adoption or foster care is an alternative..
And the only worry is if the organisation
and the new families are in fact beneficial..
Then a State's responsibility is to ensure that
the poorhouse and Adoption/Foster homes are operated
with care, compassion, and hygienne.
These facilities( like dirty abortions) were real,
and still damage their wards today.
But there are fewer.
The majority of the people who help chilren and single mothers
do care. And the State is NOT the best .
Those despised religious charities really do help thousands.

You obviously do not know your history Nate .

Before the advent of social programs in this country and others , its a proven fact that charity only reached very few.

Its a proven fact that people starved to death and died of illness easily taken care of by antibiotics because they had no access to medical care.

It is happening in Africa as we speak.

I have the statistics about the US Nate .

But you go first Nate , show me some statistics to prove that charitable giving would even amount to enough to take care of even the worst cases . I'm talking about retards and the ill , show me that even if charity was doubled we could take care of these people?

Back up one of your stupid statements for a change.

One day Nate we will all be judged . That is a promise , you can bank on.

I will stand before my God , a beloved daughter and servant of my Lord Christ.

Hope you are seen in that same way Nate.

But you can rest assured it will happen.

I am not worried about my judgment , I know my Father in heaven loves me.

How about you Nate?

You are changing the argument here dearie. The argument was abortion not child care. Do you support abortion as a method of eliminating child proverty? If you do how does that square with your so called Christian beliefs? This has nothing to do with child care, its all about abortion. Now, simple question do you support abortion on demand. Yes or no answer only. We are not talking about cases of rape or incest (which are rare occurances and should not be the basis for policy). Yes or no, abortion or no abortion. Yes or no.

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You see Nate its this simple.

I have more faith in God than you do.

I know that mankind cannot change even the smallest plan of God's.

Let alone stop people from being born that God decreed before the world was ever formed would be born.

People like you Nate , with lack of faith seem to think that man , can dictate who can be born and who cannot.

I know better God is all powerful and if he wants a person to be born , they will be and there is nobody that can stop God. Its just that simple.

And what level do you think that the taxpayers should be involved in remedying the situation?

Just curious, but the state does not help destitute women get abortions, so how does what I have highlighted relate?

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What does this mean? That you think its ok for abortion because if God wanted that person to be born they would be? Would you also abolish any stigma against murder since obviously under your logic if God wanted the person to live they would never have been murdered? Could not the same be said for war?

Now, yes or no, do you support abortion? The choice to answer is yours but a failure to do will will show anyone who might have doubts about your so called christianity (and I won't capitalize what you call christianity) is a sham and you are a false prophet.

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Its better to have fussed and crabbed then never to have fussed at all - Lucy