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12-27-2007, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Cookie Parker
Take yourself out of the equation....if you aren't going to assume financial and emotional responsibility for every neglected, abused and physically and emotionally handicapped child in this nation, you don't have any right to assume how a woman decides her life....if you aren't out STOPPING death of children through starvation and being denied medical treatment in this nation because of lack of insurance, you can't tell a woman what decisions she must make with her life....
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What a bullshit statement. So, if I am not doing enough in your estimation to become a good little left wing socialist then I can't speak out against the death of the unborn? What an asshole.
You have no idea what we support and don't support.
You are a bitter old woman
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12-27-2007, 09:04 AM
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By the way, the choice she made was to spread her legs or not. She chose to have sex, she chose to create the circumstances that could lead to the creation of life inside of her body. She is nothing more than the vessel for that life at that point.
You want justice and somebody to take care of the child? Put it up for adoption or sue the shit out of the father for child support, hound him every second of his life if he doesn't own up to his responsibility. If you don't know who the father is I feel sorry for you but that is still no reason to murder, yes MURDER, an innocent life. And you murderous fuck, it is a life in your useless womb and it is sustainable outside of that shivelled prune of a womb from your body earlier and earlier.
I have many sins that I must face God for but murdering the unborn is not one of them.
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12-27-2007, 09:06 AM
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What a bullshit statement. So, if I am not doing enough in your estimation to become a good little left wing socialist then I can't speak out against the death of the unborn? What an asshole.
You have no idea what we support and don't support.
You are a bitter old woman
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Not at all...what I'm saying is if all you're doing is opening your mouth to tell someone else how to live their life without putting your money where your mouth is, without putting your time where your mouth is, then shut the fuck up...
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12-27-2007, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45
By the way, the choice she made was to spread her legs or not. She chose to have sex, she chose to create the circumstances that could lead to the creation of life inside of her body. She is nothing more than the vessel for that life at that point.
You want justice and somebody to take care of the child? Put it up for adoption or sue the shit out of the father for child support, hound him every second of his life if he doesn't own up to his responsibility. If you don't know who the father is I feel sorry for you but that is still no reason to murder, yes MURDER, an innocent life. And you murderous fuck, it is a life in your useless womb and it is sustainable outside of that shivelled prune of a womb from your body earlier and earlier.
I have many sins that I must face God for but murdering the unborn is not one of them.
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The man decided to put his penis in and inject her, too, either voluntarily or not. We're not sure what else was promised, if anything, are we?
It's her decision to make...and to live with and again, if you aren't willing to adopt all those unwanted children, require your government to provide healthcare for all children, require your government to provide safe housing and good paying jobs to the parents of the children and require your government to provide the best possible education for all children..or you yourself aren't willing to put your money where your mouth is, then shut the fuck up!
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12-27-2007, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Cookie Parker
The man decided to put his penis in and inject her, too, either voluntarily or not. We're not sure what else was promised, if anything, are we?
It's her decision to make...and to live with and again, if you aren't willing to adopt all those unwanted children, require your government to provide healthcare for all children, require your government to provide safe housing and good paying jobs to the parents of the children and require your government to provide the best possible education for all children..or you yourself aren't willing to put your money where your mouth is, then shut the fuck up!
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I am not willing to pay for someone elses folly, no. Tell us who the father is and let the government extract child support if you are too namby pamby to do so. Also to make the statement that those who oppose abortions don't care about (1) women, (2) children, (3) starvation or (4) every other evil in the world is about as stupid a statement as anyone can make. There are many many many charities funded by churches or private citizens etc that are dedicated to the support of women and children. So, until you know of what you speak I would suggest you shut the fuck up as you so eloquently put it.
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12-27-2007, 10:36 AM
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I know your a hypocrite Nate , that's really all that needs to be said.
As is my own father. He wants them born just like you Nate.
But after they are born he does not want a dime of his tax money to go for their up keep.
That is pure and simple hypocritical . Honestly I cannot figure it out , if you people are hypocritical or mentally ill.
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Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45
What a bullshit statement. So, if I am not doing enough in your estimation to become a good little left wing socialist then I can't speak out against the death of the unborn? What an asshole.
You have no idea what we support and don't support.
You are a bitter old woman
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12-27-2007, 10:42 AM
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All right idiot boy.
How about some links? Links with numbers and statistics would be nice.
Let me clue you in Nate , although I know your capacity for logical reasoning sucks I will give it a try anyway.
I work for lots of charities . None of them and I mean none , receive enough private donations to do half the work that needs done.
But you go first idiot boy , find me some statistics to support your view that private charities can take care of all the sick unfortunates and fatherless in this country ......................Then I will go.
To be fair I must warn you , I have my facts and figures already , I wrote a college thesis on the subject last year.
So you first Nate..............I say you are wrong and I can prove it.
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Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45
I am not willing to pay for someone elses folly, no. Tell us who the father is and let the government extract child support if you are too namby pamby to do so. Also to make the statement that those who oppose abortions don't care about (1) women, (2) children, (3) starvation or (4) every other evil in the world is about as stupid a statement as anyone can make. There are many many many charities funded by churches or private citizens etc that are dedicated to the support of women and children. So, until you know of what you speak I would suggest you shut the fuck up as you so eloquently put it.
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12-27-2007, 10:44 AM
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I know your a hypocrite Nate , that's really all that needs to be said.
As is my own father. He wants them born just like you Nate.
But after they are born he does not want a dime of his tax money to go for their up keep.
That is pure and simple hypocritical . Honestly I cannot figure it out , if you people are hypocritical or mentally ill.
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No, I don't want tax dollars to pay for them. Why does that necessarily equate to not wanting to help them? Isn't charity a Christian virtue? Doesn't your church have programs to help unwed mothers?
Why is socialism the only answer to you?
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12-27-2007, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by wvpeach
I know your a hypocrite Nate , that's really all that needs to be said.
As is my own father. He wants them born just like you Nate.
But after they are born he does not want a dime of his tax money to go for their up keep.
That is pure and simple hypocritical . Honestly I cannot figure it out , if you people are hypocritical or mentally ill.
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Ya know, I don't think Nate is a hypocrite in this instance. Hypocritical would be him expecting someone to take care of his, but not wishing to take care of someone elses.
Now, if you were to argue that he didn't wish any tax money to be spent on say prevention or in sorting out why abortion occurs, then by all means that would be hypocritical. Unplanned pregnancies happen for a variety of reasons, and until we can help those that come from backgrounds that are inducive to unplanned pregnancies, then abortion will always be a problem.
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12-27-2007, 10:48 AM
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All right idiot boy.
How about some links? Links with numbers and statistics would be nice.
Let me clue you in Nate , although I know your capacity for logical reasoning sucks I will give it a try anyway.
I work for lots of charities . None of them and I mean none , receive enough private donations to do half the work that needs done.
But you go first idiot boy , find me some statistics to support your view that private charities can take care of all the sick unfortunates and fatherless in this country ......................Then I will go.
To be fair I must warn you , I have my facts and figures already , I wrote a college thesis on the subject last year.
So you first Nate..............I say you are wrong and I can prove it.
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There are many ways that these people can be helped. First all they can start by trying to help themselves. Why is socialism the only answer. Why do you think all unwed mothers are stupid and incompetent and incapable of helping themselves. Do you believe that Jesus was not the only virgin birth and there are no fathers invovled that can be tapped to pay for their own offspring?
Charities never have "enough" money. If you gave every single dime you made to charity it would not be enough because people like you always want more more more. You create a problem and then your only answer is tax the rich, tax the poor, tax everyone.
You are a false prophet dearie and an evil one at that.
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