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12-29-2007, 10:35 PM
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If what Satv is trying to say is that the states need to have a lot more control over the laws of the states and the feds should just stay out of states business ...................I agree.
Abortion can be decided as well as most things on a state to state basis. Don't like the fact your state allows abortion ..........Move to a state that doesn't.
That would be the real American way. Free enterprise at its best.
The feds need to mind their own business except in very few areas like interstate commerce and national defense and let the states govern themselves.
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Psssst...Gotta read the 14th amendment sweets. States dont getb to regulate constitutional protections
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12-29-2007, 10:50 PM
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Psssst...Gotta read the 14th amendment sweets. States dont getb to regulate constitutional protections
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So on that basis, Gun laws at the State level are uncosntitutional...
Oh my...
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12-29-2007, 10:52 PM
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To clarify what I meant, no.
My beef is with Legislating at the Judicial Level. Something we should stamp out of our Government with haste.
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12-30-2007, 02:46 PM
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The big lie is that the right is against abortion. If they really believed it was murder, condoms and birth control would be handed out for free in every church and school in the nation. The right is just too stupid to make the leap that sex can result in pregnancy.
Another weak argument. A sperm is not a fetus.
Right and sperm has nothing to do with pregnancy. You are the perfect argument for sex education. You must be too stupid to see the link between sex and abortion. You must be from the right, which backs up my statement. Thanks for the validation.
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12-30-2007, 03:28 PM
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sex between people who won't accept the consequence
of coitus is NOT the States responsibility.
ONLY coitus makes conception,
so the initial CHOOSERS should stay responsible..
Even if they are poor, and immature.
( especially true if they are listenung to pop culture)
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12-30-2007, 03:56 PM
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The big lie is that the right is against abortion. If they really believed it was murder, condoms and birth control would be handed out for free in every church and school in the nation. The right is just too stupid to make the leap that sex can result in pregnancy.
Another weak argument. A sperm is not a fetus.
Right and sperm has nothing to do with pregnancy. You are the perfect argument for sex education. You must be too stupid to see the link between sex and abortion. You must be from the right, which backs up my statement. Thanks for the validation.
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There isn't a fetus. Sperm aren't living. If you think a sperm is living and growing then you are the one who is stupid. In fact, you aer most likely stupid even if you don't believe that, I can tell.
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12-30-2007, 04:19 PM
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If there are no unwanted pregnancies, there are no abortions. Sperm are not alive? You do not need sperm and an egg for life? Read a science book.
I never said it is the governments responsibility. It is the responsibility for someone who believes abortion is murder to push for the best steps to prevent it when the laws allow it. You do not need the government to reduce abortions, use your church to save lives by promoting sex education and putting church funds to good use buying condoms and birth control. Otherwise the right is all talk and it is more important to them to ignore sex, instead of saving life. Try to tell me that preventing unwanted pregnancies will not reduce abortions. I need a good laugh.
Sex with little risk of pregnancy $30.
No pregnancy, priceless.
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12-30-2007, 04:53 PM
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bad argument
Cookie, a 2 year old is not self sufficient, is it okay to kill him? A baby born prematurely is hardly self sufficient, is it okay to kill her? So does self sufficiency, in your mind, mean personhood? Because if it does, your logic is flawed. Also, a little FYI, fetus means little one...as in little person. So, when you refer to the baby as a fetus, it does not dehumanize that baby, conversely, it makes baby's vulnerability even more apparent. I look forward to your response on these specific points. Take care.
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12-30-2007, 06:27 PM
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12-30-2007, 11:15 PM
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The mere fact that this issue is so divisive and varied throughout the Nation. Leads me to believe it should be regulated at the State Level.
Let's not let the Supreme Court rewrite the Constitution, mhmmkay?
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