More name calling? Is that really the best you can do?

I was responding to wolf's statement. I have never tried to claim that the ability to feel or the inability to feel had anything at all to do with being a living human being. I am not casting about for a reason that sounds plausible to allow women to kill their children.

They simply print research. One must look at the doctors who do the research and it is very interesting to note that those from your link who are most vocal in denying that unborns feel pain are psychologists and psychiatrists and not neurologists. The psychologists, by the way aren't arguing that the chid does not feel pain but that it doesn't have a pain "experience". Experience meaning that the pain is not being interpreted in a conscious manner. They are pushing a biopsychosocial model of interpreting pain which is little more than new age babbling. Biomedical science which is the accepted science does not agree.

You will note that in your own study, they admit physical, stress, and hormonal responses from unborns as early as 7.5 weeks and then proceed to suggest that because the child can't "think" about the pain that the pain doesn't exist. Psychobable.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

Are you really this stupid or are you just being obtuse because it is easier than admitting that you really have no actual argument? Why can't you live in a methane atmosphere? Why can't you live in a vaccum or under an atmospheric pressure of 10,000 psi? We require certain environments to live. Duh. Before being born, the child requires a certain sort of environment to live. That it requires a specific environment does not make it part of its mother, or not alive, or something other than a human being. Your arguments have all the depth of those of a child. Learn something on an adult level before you attempt to have an adult discussion.

60 years ago polio was pretty common and there were those who, as a result of polio had to live out their lives in iron lungs. They simply couldn't live without them. Take them out and they would die. None of them were ever "part" of those machines. Being inside of, or dependent upon a thing does not make you "part" of that thing.

No one is suggesting that the child can live without its mother. But the fact that it requires her to live does not mean that it is part of her body any more than the fact that you require a certain sort of atmosphere means that you are part of that atmosphere. Your argument is flawed at the most basic level. This isn't about whether the child requires its mother to survive, it is about whether a woman has the right to kill a child because it is less than convenient.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

Between 1996 and 2000, the number of abortions in the United States fell from 1.36 million to 1.31 million. (Finer & Henshaw, 2003). The CDC estimates that 58 percent of legal abortions occur within the first eight weeks of gestation, and 88 percent are performed within the first 12 weeks. Only 1.5 percent occur after 20 weeks. (CDC, 2003).

Since the nationwide legalization of abortion in 1973, the proportion of abortions performed after the first trimester has decreased because of increased access to and knowledge about safe, legal abortion services (Gold, 2003).


-almost all abortions take place within the first 12 weeks. as nature pointed out, some would say at 14 weeks a fetus can't feel and its closer to the end of the second trimester for pain to be felt.

and less than 2% happen after week 20.

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I'm so Obamafied

When other girls wanted to be a ballerina, I wanted to be a Vampire.

I still think that abortions are great for feminists, lesbians, liberals, commies, leftists, and other dickweeds that I don't like.

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GOD BLESS AMERICA

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"its potential, its potential, its potential because I said so, there's your proof" --- Palerider

another man who stands by his principles

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I'm so Obamafied

When other girls wanted to be a ballerina, I wanted to be a Vampire.

If abortions were made illegal the cons would lose a wedge issue...ain't gonna happen.

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"All the problems we face in the United States today can be traced to an unenlightened immigration policy on the part of the American Indian."

Which side will you be on?


OBAMA/PEROT

Wrong. The battle isn't really over abortion but Roe.

The demoncunts would lose their "issue" as well you stupid cunt.

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GOD BLESS AMERICA

This argument simulates a human fetus being the equivalent of a fungus or parasite that requires a host from which to sustain life rather than an actual reproduction. That chosen argument has therefore been ruled ignorant.

ruled ignorant by whom?

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I'm so Obamafied

When other girls wanted to be a ballerina, I wanted to be a Vampire.