I know this is a one on one debate but I have to jump in now because it looks like the end of it. Anyway I read the posts by Eli then this debate. Okham clearly was correct. Eli states he voted conservative most of his life. His statement then went on to make reference to his CURRENT opinion was neither conservative or liberal and he made his decsions based on what was just and right, READ HIS POST directed to PR and OKHAM. He even added a reference that Okham understood him correctly.