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I took this to agree with me that great discoveries are the result of a very limited number of brilliant minds rather than the product of cooperative efforts and pointed this out to him.
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Originally Posted by pale rider
I have already read that research. It only serves to furthur substantiate my original position. As I have already stated, most giant steps are made by one or two individuals, not group think. The THEORY represented in this article still makes the point that the intellects capable of making the great strides forward are very few and very far in between.
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I suppose at this point, I should ask the question. Does this article and Okham’s reply support my position that great leaps forward are indeed most often the product of one or two individuals as opposed to groups? And if it does support my position, is Okham not agreeing with me but being combative anyway?
Okham replied:
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Originally Posted by okham
Also, you stated over and over again that the INDIVIDUAL is the unique entity given to advanced insight. Now you say one or two. I don't know how to tell you this, but two is a multiple.
There is absolutely nothing in this century old study, widely cited in terms opposing your position and as the preeminent word on this phenomenon, which supports your position. The basis for hundreds of articles and papers that use it as a core reference PRECISELY supporting my point.
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At this point, it is clear that he has forgotten what I originally said or is simply ignoring it in order to continue the argument.
I pointed this out to him by reminding him that I had originally said that most great leaps are the result of one or two individuals.
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Originally Posted by pale rider
Comprehension thing again? Re read what I originally said. Note that I said one or two individuals.
Name a few instances where a new technology that moved us far beyond where we were was being produced by more than one or two individuals at the same time.
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Okham replied:
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Originally Posted by okham
Care to take this to the formal debate forum and let the members decide? If you are so sure of yourself, put your money where your mouth is. Or hell, lets hear from them right here. Or should we make a poll? Doesn't matter which you choose, you're gonna loose.
As for your one example of stating one or two, you stated repeatedly INDIVIDUAL. No matter, either way.
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Meanwhile, I was having a side discussion with Eli. Remember Eli? He had asked me why I felt the need to put him in a conservative box.
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Originally Posted by eli
I am not a conservative either. Why do you people have to put everyone in the conservative/liberal box?
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To which I replied:
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Originally Posted by pale rider
Occam put you in the conservative box, not me. I clearly stated in my first post on this thread that you were not conservative.
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Originally Posted by okham
You're distortions of truth are getting really annoying. What I said was that he is not a liberal and that for most of his life he indicated that he voted conservative.
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OK, at this point, lets go back to his original characterization of Eli:
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Originally Posted by Okham
Pale, first of all, Eli has been a conservative for most of his 83 years. So your knee-jerk shallow assessment of him based on hos last post is so far off base... I can't even think of an appropriate parallel.
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Does he or does he not tell me in no uncertain language that Eli is a conservative? Is it reasonable to suggest that I would get anything from that statement other than the fact that he was telling me that Eli was a conservative?
At this point, I brought the pertinent parts of the conversation forward for him to make my point. (the pertinent parts being most of what I have cut and pasted to this thread)
Okham replied:
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Originally Posted by okham
Look jackass, YOU drew me into this BS from one simple statement.
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So that is the whole sad “he said – he said” story.
At this point, I suppose that Okham expects for the members of the board to rush forward and defend him by telling me that I am completely wrong on my position that most great discoveries are the result of one or two individuals and that he did not indicate to me that Eli was a conservative. I guess that I am supposed to be browbeaten to the point that I might not want to show my face around here again.
So let the browbeating begin…