Well, I can't get you to agree that if the embryo or fetus is a child it can be taken away from the woman who doesn't want, or can't care for it, so that someone else can give it the care that the woman who doesn't want it can.

Why would you demand that a crack addict be forced to keep the child when she is clearly abusing it for seven or maybe eight months, at which time the child says "I can't take it any more, and I'm going to leave even if I will die because this woman is just too abusive." Clearly the child should have taken responsibility for itself much earlier and chosen a different woman.

Or what of the woman who gets breast cancer and needs radiation and chemo - again you are going to demand that the woman keep the child even tho her medical care is going to really hurt the child.

I can't understand why you think that a woman must be forced to keep a child that she is clearly abusing and is likely to in the end kill.

But maybe you don't think that the child is really a child that deserves the same kind of protection as other children.

Then again, if you don't think that you have a moral responsibility to consume fewer resources so children won't die of starvation or war, then maybe you don't really care that much about whether children live or die????