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Originally Posted by mulp
So, if a woman doesn't want to spend eight months serving the needs of what you consider an "unborn child" and that she considers an unwanted pregnancy, you won't seek to force her by making the law force her?
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It isn't that I consider it a child, that is what it is. I have challenged you to provide some credible evidence that suggests that unborns at any stage are not human beings and to date, you have not met the challenge.
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Originally Posted by mulp
I don't see abortion as the killing of a human being, and neither does most of the world.
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And yet another shallow and terribly flawed argument. How "you" or the world sees a thing is irrelavent if the thing is not being viewed as it is. Once more, you make an appeal to popularity. There was a time when most of the people in the world thought it was flat or rested on the back of a great turtle, or some other such thing. Was the world actually flat or on the back of a great turtle because most of the people in the world thought it was?
There was a time when most of the people in the world thought that the sun was a shining being that rode a chariot across the sky. Was the sun actually a shining being riding across the sky because most of the people thought it was?
There was a time, and not so long ago, when most of the people in this country thought that blacks were not human beings and therfore it was perfectly acceptable to own them as property. Were blacks really not human beings and thus not deserving of any human rights simply because most of the people in this country thought that was true?
You don't think that unborns are human beings and yet, you can't provide a whit of credible evidence to support your position. The only support you can offer is that a great many others believe the same thing as you. Your argument is a logical fallacy and has no validity. You could validate it by providing some credible evience to support your belief but short of that you are expressing nothing more than your faith.
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Originally Posted by mulp
Individuals may have different moral positions on many topics, but societies can't force the moral views of a few on the many. I don't think war is moral under any circumstance and I would never kill a human being for any reason.
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That unborns at any stage of development are human beings is not a moral view. It is a scientific fact.
The rest of your argument has no bearing on whether or not unborns are human beings and therefore entitled to have their human rights protected. It is nothing more than so much shuck and jive.
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Originally Posted by mulp
I suppose everyone has their particular windmill to tilt at, but yours puzzles me more than most. I wonder why you don't focus on getting the US to consume far fewer resources of all sorts, and instead spend the savings fighting the causes of deaths of the walking human beings that are suffering and dying. I don't think the world is going to face a crisis where there are too few people suffering and dying for lack of resources.
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Are you arguing that it is acceptable in your view for one individual to take it upon themself to kill another individual in order to preserve resources?