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Originally Posted by mulp
Name one human being born from a petri dish, or some machine.
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Describe a difference in the actual individual other than where they gestated. Unless there would be some difference in the individual themselves, some residual evidence that they were gestated artifically rather than naturally, then your argument makes no sense. A human being is a human being no matter where they are gestated. A white child gestated by a chinese woman is still going to be a white child. Where it developed is irrelavent to what it is and any suggestion otherwise fails on logical grounds.
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Originally Posted by mulp
One the other hand, if it is your position that society has the right to demand that a woman support another human being by forcing her to carry it around agains her will, force her to let that human being suck life from her, force her to risk her health and risk death, then I want society to force you to pay my rent and buy my food for me. After all, I'm a human being and thus I deserve the same right as an embryo to make you and others my slaves serving my needs, even if it is against your will.
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This comes down to competing rights. Both the woman and the child are living human beings. When the rights of two individuals clash, the more fundamental right takes precedence. If the woman's life or long term health is in immenent danger, then she has the right to defend herself just like everyone else. Intent is not necessary on the part of someone who represents an immenent danger to your life in order for you to kill to defend your own right to live. If the woman's life or long term health is not in imment danger, however, the child's right to live trumps her right to not be inconvenienced.
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Originally Posted by mulp
And like I said, a billion women and like billions of men, do not see embryos as human beings, and so they, in your view, murder a billion human beings a year, and think nothing of it, something that makes it clear they don't see embryos as human beings.
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And that moronic argument is a textbook example of a logical fallacy known as an appeal to common practice or an appeal to populatity. If a logical fallacy is the best you can do, why bother?