Originally Posted by steve k

Illegal wire-tapping, eh? That's what your going to hang your hat on? Who was tortured by the way that hasn't been tried and convicted where necessary. Give me dates and specific examples. And as far as the war goes, I agree with you on the basis that had I known the way it would have been fought until the surge I would have never have supported it. However, since the surge despite what you would like to have everyone else believe there has been progress. It always amazes me that people like yourself are more interested in the "rights" of those trying to kill your brothers and sisters fighting in distant lands than you are in American lives.Who know? Maybe that makes you a better person than me.