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Originally Posted by bluedog
As stated, it does not matter WHAT MODERN "SCOTUS" opinion you quote from, that opinion does not do away with the actual facts of history. As far as presenting anything from this particular case of Holy Trinity Church v. U.S., United States Supreme Court {143 U.S. 457, 1892}, It is more than superfluous the way you have tried to misdirect away from an "opinion" presented from the Court and in particular one declared in "written" opinion by Justice Brewer. It certainly is "irrelative" just what the case was about or what was ultimately decided...the point being made was that Mr. Brewer was of the opinion, and correctly so, that the United States was indeed a Christian Nation as declared by his own words...."These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a CHRISTIAN NATION". {Associate Justice to the United States Supreme Court, David Josiah Brewer, 1/6/1890 - 3/28/1910} THIS IS A CHRISTIAN NATION.....the language cannot be presented any clearer nor distinct. History confirmed -- Attempted Secular deflection -- found misdirecting and lying.
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Firstly, this SCOTUS case did not have any relationship to the Seperation Issue whatsoever. Second, you really need toe ducate yourself on basic law principles. The "Obiter dictum", or what I refered to above as OPINION, is not legally binding at all. Also...
Justice Brewer- “The United States; A Christian Nation.”.... “But in what sense can (the United States) be called a Christian nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion or that people are compelled in any manner to support it. On the contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that ‘congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.’ Neither is it Christian in the sense that all its citizens are either in face or in name Christians. On the contrary, all religions have free scope within its borders. Numbers of our people profess other religions, and many reject all......Nor is it (the United States) Christian in the sense that a profession of Christianity is a condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service, or essential to recognition either politically or socially. In fact, the government as a legal organization is independent of all religions”
As I stated earlier, Brewer was quoting an earlier ruling.
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Originally Posted by bluedog
The footprints of "Blackstone's theory of Law" in US Law are undeniable. Several are already mentioned PREVIOUS, and as far as State Constitutions and how they declared "God" within their writings, why not present the Constitutions themselves instead of depending upon any "opinion" of SCOTUS.....here are but a Few "State Constitutions" that indeed make up the UNTIED STATES OF AMERICA.
God in the State Constitutions - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net |
Feel free to show which of "Blackestone's theories of law" make up US Constitutional law, or even our common laws. English Common Law was a creation of the pre-Christian Saxons, and little effected in the few centuries between Christianity taking over the Isle, and the creation of the US.
Also, note the dates of the state constitutions that include religious references in the link That You Provided. One will note that, to the last, they are states that were included into the Union and/or additions made to the state constitutions generations after the last Founder, and when religious fundamentalism well entrenched in the US.
The idea that the US was founded as some "Christian Nation" is a complete fabrication created by the extreme religious right-wingers in this Nation, who began their campaign the moment the Articles of Confederation was ratified. They have not been able, however, to change a few, basic facts contained within our Founding Documents, such as our Constitution among others. Another document that they have not been able to hide is the Treaty of Tripoli, signed into US LAW in 1796 by many of the same men who founded this Nation.
Article 11 - "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;..."
US Treaty with Tripoli, 1796-1797