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Old 05-22-2008, 05:59 AM
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights

Inalienable rights, by definition, are not granted by the state - no human grants these rights. They are rights which no state has the power to confer because being human entitles you to these rights.

Again, you can agree or disagree, but some of the Founders did say that these inalienable rights were granted by a higher power. Since inalienable rights by definition cannot be granted by the state (only protected), they could not come from the state. I suppose the argument could be made that the protection of these rights is the same as granting them, but it is just semantics.

I am not agreeing with them that God or some other higher power is actually granting these rights, but that many of the Founders did indeed say this. I am also stating that inalienable rights are not granted by the state.
How did this higher authority grant these rights? Are there some stone tablets we haven't heard about yet?

Just because MAN says they are inalienable and endowed by the creator does not make it true. Prove the creator did so.

Carrying this crap even further, if endowed by the creator, why doesn't all of mankind enjoy these same rights? Certainly something given by the creator can not be denied by mortal man.
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