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Old 05-20-2008, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by NAT View Post
Care to show where your creator deity is even mentioned in the Constitution, please?

Our rights come from "We the People".
No a creator deity is not mentioned in the Constitution that I can recall. I started this thread from some lines I found in the document that explains why we as a people decided to throw off the government of England.

It goes something like this,
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
And that document would be, Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776

I was just thinking they might have had this in mind when they wrote the Constitution.

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Originally Posted by Suburbanite View Post
an equally ridiculous assertion. humans don't come with something called rights when they are born, this is a concept created by idiots who thought the idea might save their sorry asses from something down the line. But it won't. Thats why we have the 2nd amendment, so that we may insist upon the other amendments.
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So you want to know how rights are maintained? With willpower. Not God, not fairy dust, not "social contract theory" or anything else. Rights are ONLY for those who insist upon them.
I LOVE the second amendment! And thank you so much for putting it in the right context. It is there to ensure the people can defend themselves against the government. Not so I can go hunting on the weekend.

I also can embrace the idea that nobody has the right to anything until they have the will and the power to stand up and take it as their right. Only the strong people and strong groups have rights. The weak, poor and underprivileged must live with what scraps the strong decide to give them! Now that is the kind of PROGRESSIVE government I can really get behind. No complicating things with stupid ideas of "right and wrong". Just what do I want and am I and my friends strong enough to get it! Truly Beautiful.
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