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Originally Posted by Gummer
You construct a totally different circumstance than the one i made reference to.....
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Yeah, I constructed a scenario in which the woman appears "normal," and her children appear "normal." And yet they require assistance.
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Originally Posted by Gummer
I'll provide my opinion for your scenario ......
But I must ask..... first....
Which turn of fate placed your woman in the circumstance you describe?
Is she an attractive well groomed woman whose panties fly off in the presence of a male erection (consequences be damned)? If so I have already addressed the subject.....
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Perhaps she's a woman who had children and a husband and provided for them, and the husband died (without insurance) or left her. In that case, having the children might not have plunged her into poverty.
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Originally Posted by Gummer
Look ...... I thought I made it clear ..... I have no quarrel with public assistance for for those who may have made a youthful mistake or others who have fallen on hard times (although I didn't make that point specifically)
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Thanks for the clarification. Not all public assistance cases are due to untimely, unplanned pregnancies.
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...... My quarrel is with those who take no personal responsibility for their actions and the consequences thereof .... and are conditioned or willing to pass their self created responsibilities to taxpayers who ARE assuming responsibility for their deeds.....
We haven't followed an attitude anything like that ....... as a result of our failure to do so we have (in some extreme cases) 3 generations of people whose "family business" is public assistance.....
Any intelligently constructed public assistance program should have a beginning ... a middle ..... and ..... an end..... with strings (responsibilities) tied to it's continuity....
Public assistance should NEVER be an option for people to count on to assume their personal responsibilities ..... for life....
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I absolutely agree. Unfortunately, the broad brush paints anyone on assistance as a "welfare lifer." And the stereotypes you presented are what I really had a problem with. Yes, there are welfare lifers, fat moms with awful kids, but guess what? Even without being on welfare, she'd be just as fat and probably just as bad a parent.