As I have said yes, and please for the love of fast cars and money, try to stay on the same page as me here. Unborns are alive, I have said this previously, and I am sticking by my guns on that one. No flip flopping, no indecisiveness. I am not trying to debate their status as being alive whatsoever.

Hell, do you even know what point I was trying to make to BD? I don't believe in dumbing down what I say, so when you can tell me what it is I was saying (And not your own interpretation) then you'll know that you arguing with me is rather pointless and headed for a no win scenario.