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Originally Posted by TakuanSoho
Well, if you knew your bible it is pretty clear that Jesus did say he was the son of god, this is why in Matthew 27:39-50, he is mocked as such when he was hanging on the Cross.
Acts of the Apostles make it clear that all his disciples (except Judas of course) said they saw Jesus after he was dead. What more do you want.
Seriously Smart, just admit you are wrong. There is nothing wrong with that. You have already moved so far off your original position that you have all but conceded it, you might as well be honest and admit to it. Prove Dom wrong.
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It is clearly evident that she doesn't know what she is talking about and each post confirms this.
She can't prove me wrong, which is why she "ignores" me despite mentioning and thinking of me so often.
Also, she doesn't come out and openly concede anything, her usual MO is to move on to something else - so you read her correctly. Of course, when she moves on to something else she usually screws that up as well.
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Originally Posted by smart makes a comeback
LOL....Quote for me the vesrs where jesus said he was the son of God...and refuring to god as "father" doesnt mean any such thing, so dont even try it...LOL
If ALL his Apostles said they saw Jesus after he was dead, why did they not ALL write about it ?
I have not moved an inch off my original position...You have just yet to grasp it
and as for Dum..hahahhahah.....he is a blithering idiot.....and has been wrong since his mother spit him out
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Not all of the Apostles have written words in the Bible. Which Apostles are you claiming didn't say that Jesus was the Son of God? They did attempt to spread the word. The fact is that we don't have information on all of the Apostles and we also don't have many written records 2000 years ago.
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God Matthew 3:16
Jesus calls himself God:
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am - John 8:58
I and my Father are one. - John 10:30
If you want more just ask.
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Originally Posted by TakuanSoho
Why would the romans mock him saying "you say you are the son of god, well lets see him help you now" in the passage I provided, if he did not say it?
Well, outside of the fact that his apostles were probably illiterate for the most part (not sure how many fishermen in the 1st century could read and write), and that 2,000 years separates them from us and very few works survived from that period, why no reasons at all.
Besides this has NOTHING to do with your original post, that we have moved the line all the way back from the 4th to the 1st century to here pretty much shows you have abandoned your original point.
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Yep. She has been consistently wrong.
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Originally Posted by smart makes a comeback
It can best be explained by "Where nit does not matter" or perhaps better said, who has credibilty and who does not
Where it does not matter, is among those with a fanatical non secular agenda, who wish to revise history to fit twhat they wish of the history of Xianaty, was, as opposed to the real history
The FACT is, before the 4th century there was not a standard canon, no cohesive organized "church", and little more then scattered groups of neo pagans and reformed hebrews, most if whom never knew the others existed. Much is made by some of the revisionists of the presence of "Bishops", but in nfact, The position of the Bishop of Rome did exist a bit before the Council of Nicea
An edict permitting the practice of the Christian religion was never issueed tillin April of 311. In 313 Constantine and Licinius stated they bwould "tolerate" Christianity in the Edict of Milan. It was actually not until 393, under Theodosius, that Christianity had become widely practiced. The existence of an pre 4th century” Apostolic Church” is highly exaggerated, and most of the accounts of it’s existence, were written centuries after the fact, and were fabricated accounts designed to imply a non existent linear connection between “Jesus” and Christianity.
This ” Apostolic Church” is a mainstay for non secular revisionists. Accounts of post Jesus pre Nicea christianity such as Simon Mangus and Peter haveng the worlds first arial dogfight..LOL..are at best laughable and clearly retrospective fabrications
The sources for this are many and frankly, this is a concept that is so well established, it is a bit like “water is wet” to anyone even moderately acquainted with the subject
Even some theologian / historians who lived in the age of Constantine, such as, Eusebius, Socrates and Sozomen documented the fact that indeed, Constantine took scattered and underground religion, and for all intents and purposes, introduced it to the masses, most of who were still steeped in paganism, and paying daily homage to the roman gods
In a nutshell,The idea that Christianity would have manifested itself into a major Religion had it not been Constantine openly embraceing it is naive, baseless, and categorically absurd
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You have been impressively wrong in your "real" history.
How was it that Constantine mandated Christianity at the point of a sword?
Christianity was practiced widely by many in power well before 393, and in some part before Constantine. Diocletian's wife and daughter were Christian (that was before Constantine, that way you won't have to google it). Constantine's mother was Christian as well. Not to mention, as has already been stated, with persecution came even more Christians. The martyrs made them even stronger. As TAk said, the cites is where Christianity was strong and in the cities is where the power lay - even you should be able to figure that one out.
Sozomun and Socrates didn't live while Constantine was alive. Eusebius was Constantine's man, as evidenced by
Vita Constantini, and it was his job to tie the church with the empire. This was reversed with St. Ambrose's effect on Theodosius.
You have stated several things, such as the virgin birth, which you claim were not present in Christianity before Constantine and were proven dead ass wrong. In fact, even your own source Eusebius says you are wrong in that regard.
Diocletian being pagan and persecuting Christians didn't hinder the growth of Christianity, in fact, it advanced it. Your argument is wrong and the facts you have used to support it aren't facts at all.
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Originally Posted by smart makes a comeback
Simple..I am smarter then you...Typos and all
But anyone can see that, and for that matter, my cat is smarter then you.
I could drink a bottle of UV, and still bitch slap you, babbling mancunt retard mouth breather that you are...LOL
You really DO think Ellen White somehow "created" the day of the Sabbath
LMPAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh MAN....that is Classic !
What a putz !
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You keep claiming that you are smarter than others but your posts and weak arguments state otherwise.