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PaleRider · #24 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf_22

either you accept my stance when you talk to me- or don't talk to me. its real simple.

Either I accept your fantasy that unborns are not living human beings or don't talk to you? Instead of improving at your debate skills wolf, you get worse and worse. Offer up a valid reason that I should accept your stance. You certainly have not been able to corroborate it with anything even resembling credible evidence while my stance is fully substantiated. Tell me again why I should accept your stance?

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Originally Posted by wolf_22

Check the fact that those methods stopped offenders from reoffending, but did nothing to prevent crime nor to get a the root of why those people committed the crime to begin with. and don't forget that quite a bit of crime back them went unsolved. even in the early 1990s we were still a little half/half on how to use DNA in terms of finding criminals. we have more crime and more criminals being caught, its reasonable to say that its good to change our methods and that its good to be more humane than we were in the past.

What are you talking about wolf? The vast bulk of crimes committed today are by repeat offenders. Clearly handling criminals gently only encourages them to repeat their crimes. There was less crime (even counting the ones that went unsolved) prior to the injection of modern liberalism into our society than there is today. The root cause of most of the societal problems we see today is modern liberalism itself. Institutions like abortion cheapen life and you simply can't believe that you can successfully teach a society on one hand to resperct the property and beliefs of others but on the other hand feel free to kill the most innocent among us for any reason you like if you feel it is the right thing to do.