Yes Grey sorry for the delay...I wish I had more time...and fewer paid democrat voters to support...but anyways....
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=Badmutha;403262]Basic apples and oranges--your right about one thing--other factors have to be taken into account.
Sure, but that would sort of mean you're suggesting that the US is a failure in every OTHER regard EXCEPT the death penalty. That is atypical for a conservative argument...
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No the only thing I am displaying (not suggesting) is that you have no statistical data that shows crime rates for pre/post death penalty enactments.
If your going to make the argument...its best if you have something...anything...to back up your argument.
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BS Grey--the majority of crimes are not crimes of passion or reactionary crimes--they are thought out--planned--and carried out with the full knowledge of the punishment that lies in wait.
A. Why would it matter what the majority are? Even if it's just a handful of all murders, they are still murders that could never be deterred.
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So for the few that could not be deterred..your advocating eliminating the deterrent for the majority.....hmmm...sounds liberalish
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9 murders??---is that a day--per year??? At the risk of sounding liberalish...I wonder how those 9 people would feel about your argument
You're right, I misquoted the gentleman. It's *murderers* i.e. nine people who will never commit a murder EVER based on their fear of the death penalty.
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How about you just link the post and lets see what he said and what he based his argument on....rather than what you think he said
...again--is that 9 murderers in the world--living in my city....need the info
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--Are you trying to say punishment does not deter crime??
Of course not, but it is only effective to a point. Even in countries with horrid, tyranous rule and unforgiving laws, murders still occur. Plus, as a further elaboriation, there is so much more we could be doing in the way of crime prevention and rehabillitation. The death penalty is LAZY. It's throwing up our hands and accepting a problem without resistance.
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The death penalty is lazy....then what exactly is a life sentence??
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Frankly, lying down and taking it is something I do NOT associate with conservatives, and I admire them for that. So why lie down here?
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So you want me to pay for the food/shelter/health care/ and security of a murderer for their entire life.....
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--Are you merely against executions all together??---and is it because of the .01% of wrongly convicted criminals.....if thats the case....I wonder if you have a problem with Life senteces.
Of course I have no problem with life sentances. In cases when we've found the wrongly accused who have been sentanced to life, we've let them GO, even compensated them on occaison. That's fair. It's completely acceptable, and it gives them time and wisdom to do what they can to make ammends. Even if only 0.1 percent are innocent, are you suggesting so small a percentage is redeemable?
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AND WHAT ABOUT THE .1% OF THOSE WRONGLY CONVICTED AND SENTENCED TO LIFE???
If I turn your own argument on you...will you see the light?
Life sentences dont deter murderers.....so we should just stop doing that....just hand out tickets and fines for commiting murder