Originally Posted by mulp

So, you want to stay with the current system where the poor simply show up at emergency rooms with life threatening conditions because they can't afford care, and so doctors and hospitals spent tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars on them, and then over time the costs which the patients can't pay get paid by the tax payer and the hospitals tacking on costs to the people who pay out of their pockets. The insurance companies make sure that they don't pay unless they get tax benefits from the government so that taxes are shift to others, and the corporations cut deals to get their taxes shifted to you.

The quesiton you should be asking: do I want to pay the medical costs of the poor and middle class without employer healthcare by paying the government taxes to fund extremely expensive emergency care, or do you want to spend less providing preventative and managed care.

Or you could argue for doctors and hospitals having the right to put a lien on the patient if the patient doesn't pay, or can't pay, like mechanics and tow companies do. So, if the patient doesn't pay, the doctor or hospital would put a lien on their body, and if there is still no payment, then the doctor or hospital takes possession of the body, and then sells it off in whole or in part in order to pay the bills. For some of these foreclosures, the patient would be chopped up and sold for parts and more than pay for the costs which would offset the other cases where the salvage costs don't pay the bills.

You know I keep making that proposal to people who call for both property rights and individual responsibility, and they just reject it out of hand with no reason given.

And then they just refuse to come up with their plan. Clearly they have no clue how to solve the problem. They are like the dog that needs to go outside really bad, but they stand at the door looking at the blizzard, then looking up at their master, and then at the blizzard, and then they just whine, and then go run and piss and crap in the corner of the living room.