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I have not fabricated any part of my position. It reflects fact and if you are suggesting that I am biased toward fact rather than misrepresentation and lies, then I guess you got me.
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I was saying that you clearly showed you were pro life, never did I say you were biased toward fact rather than misrepresentation and lies. Though denying the attachment of the fetus to the mother's body may prove me wrong.
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How you "see" the unborn is irrelavent if there is credible science that states in no certain terms that you are wrong. The child is no more part of its mother than you are. Again, if your view doesn't reflect fact, it is, for all practical purposes, meaningless.
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I was physically attached but after I was birthed and disconnected I was no longer a fetus, I was a named individual who didn't require a placenta or a special environment. Though I was human I wasn't completely my own person. in turn those rights did not apply to me.
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Once again, the right to live trumps any right that another may invoke so long as you don't represent an immenent threat to their life.
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So if a baby kills a mother during birth, does it go to court?
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An unborn is not part of its mother's body. Do feel free to provide some credible science that states that it is if you want to pursue that argument. And again, dependence is not a valid reason to kill.
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You failed to prove that it wasn't. I would go with the fact that the fetus is attached to the umbilical cord, the umbilical cord is attached to the placenta, and the placenta is attached to the body of the pregnant woman. Therefore it is part of her body and in turn allows her to decide it's fate.
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I asked you if you favor other forms of human experimentation without the permission of the subject? The nazis made great leaps in medicine due to human experimentation. Is that your idea of progress? Who else do you believe we should experiment on?
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It being part of the female body, she is allowed to decide what experiments are performed on it. I don't see how her willingly saying "please remove this thing" is not accepting permission.
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You tell yourself a story that is not true. Why do you suppose that is?
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seeing that it is in turn a piece of her body, I don't understand how this is all untrue. Please elaborate
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There exists no such proof and simply stating as much doesn't make it so. I do welcome you to provide some credible science that says that unborns are a part of their mother's body. If science has proven it, it should be quite easy for you to bring such evidence here.
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As stated before, the fetus is attached to the umbilical cord, the umbilical cord is attached to the placenta, and the placenta is attached to the body of the pregnant woman. Are you going to deny the truth and claim that a fetus is living but not gaining nourishment from the mother?
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Perception has nothing to do with it at all. Perception is nothing more than the story you tell yourself in an effort to avoid reality.
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You see it as a living being, I see it as a part of the female body...If a picture is worth a thousand words, how come each is different? Are you saying that someone else's perception of this picture is wrong?