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Old 05-04-2008, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by wolf_22 View Post
sorry, got busy and skipped this thread.

abortion doesn't stop. if its illegal, we then have unsafe illegal abortions.
look at poland and some other nations right now that are feeling the effects of the abortion ban. look at coutnries that tried bans but lifted them after they failed. (heck one nation had an increase due to the fact that birth control was taken away and some women actual began to view abortion as a political protest)

the issues isn't legal status. its the need for abortions. the need and desire for abortions won't go away just because they are not legal.
you want abortions to stop ro decrease- figure out why people want abortions and try to make them less needed/desired.

I'm secure in my beliefs and how they relate to my spiritual relationship.

most women recover mentally after an abortion. very few would ever go back and change their actions. like anything that is this serious, there are amny emotions attached to the situation. studies have concluded that while some women feel depression or regret, for the most part they recover and are find afterward and do not regret their choice.
other things that are also difficult and emotional are legal as well- like divorce.

abortions so increase breast cancer by 50%. so if you had a 10% chance, you now have a 15% chance.
but smoking increases your risk of lung cancer by 300%. and other medical procedures also carry risks as well.

about 40% of all pregnancies result in early miscarriages. often times the woman doesn't know she is pregnant. our bodies are strong and can bounce back from things like this.
there are diffierent forms of abortion and their risks/effect on the body varies. perhaps we should suggest safer routes of abortion, such as herbal pills to induce a miscarriage.

I have never heard anything about abortion being connected to child abuse. frankly, I don't trust any religious school to give good unbiased info on these matters.
furthermore, once again you are assuming that the law reflects people's beliefs.
outlawing abortion won't change the minds of people who think it should be legal and don't view fetuses as alive. laws cant change the way people think or make them stop wanting/needing something.

I consider life and being a human to be based on our cognitive abilties. fetuses lack the abilty to feel, be aware, or think until week 14. they also exist at the expense of another- someone with feelings, awareness, thoughts, dreams, and autonomy.

abortion is never an easy choice. period.
many women in these situations struggle for a long time to decide what to do.
they take responcibitly for their body and their choices. they accept the consequences of their desidon to either abort, adopt, or parent.

abortion also benefits society. it lowers crime rate and stops the world from being popualted by children who will not be properly cared for.

the gov also shouldn't have say in these matters. we shoudl control our own bodies. its not much of a leap from stoping abortion to forcing people to reproduce. and eventual forbiding certain people to reproduce (IE abortion and sterilaization)


I think it is safe to say that you are not a christian/catholic. More like an agnostic.


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the gov also shouldn't have say in these matters. we shoudl control our own bodies. its not much of a leap from stoping abortion to forcing people to reproduce. and eventual forbiding certain people to reproduce (IE abortion and sterilaization)
Government has the responsibility to see that all of it's citizens are protected. "ALL"...A child born in the United States of America is...you guessed it, a citizen.

For the sake of arguement, I concede all points of abortion relating to the threat of the mothers health.

Now, this is important, because my arguement is that to abort a child is murder. This isn't some over-dramatized exageration, it is pure reality. If you were to leave it be, it would become an adult eventually, multiple variables in between. However, by acting with the intent to end the "existence" of said human being, is to avoid the fetus from coming full term. The reason being, the mother does not want a child (For whatever reason).

Tell me this though wolf, is a child from conception a person or a human being?
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