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Old 05-02-2008, 11:07 PM
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Crow,

First off, those articles were funny... Like you, I don't think Obama is the anti-christ. It was meant as a joke.
Though sadly they take it seriously....that's the sad part.

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Anyway... Movin' on... I am sure you are familiar with the start of WWII? It started, because men thought they would sit down and 'discuss' things like adults.... so much for that idea....
I'm sorry the conditions that created WWII was a hell of a lot more complex than that. A lot of it had to do with unresolved issues of WWI. Talk about the conditions that created WWI & you will see what pin headed pricks are really about. It was the pig headed arrogance & determination to go to war with the Serbs by the Austrians that set in motion a domino effect that has reverberated to this day. Ironically if one takes the time to study the history of those events one can see precisely my point about being an adult vs. being a closed minded hell bent on subjugation prick that the Austrians where at that time..
You are just trying to state appeasement in a different way. I'm afraid that is a long & complicated discussion that has no bearing on what you are attempting to justify.

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Aside from that, I don't trust that Obama is capable of such a task. Have you heard about him wanting Bush to boycot the opening ceremonies at the olympics? Obama says he will sit and discuss issues with the leaders of other countries, what makes him think they would be willing to do so after such an offence? Does he understand the meaning of the olympics? Does he care? Does he care about all those participating in the events, or just his own political agenda?
Ya & I would ask the same question of China personally. Tibet was a sovereign nation when it was occupied by the Chinese & it is still unresolved. Honestly most of the world has no balls to confront China head on with this because of all their fear of losing economic ties. Ironically the only country that has the balls to allow it's people to protest is France. No I think this also is far more complicated then you seem to understand. It may require a more in depth discourse. This is regardless of what Obama has said, I have not heard nor do I care. I do know that China is one insecure totalitarian State that has lost its soul in many ways & they lead directly to the issue of Tibet. I happen to know a bit of history on China Taoism & Tibetan Buddhism & I've been there. Seven cities to be exact. I could taste the vacuum. I actually have some funny stories...but this is for another time.

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Thus far, he hasn't done much to impress me. I will say, that you had me goin' for a while and I was almost there. But not anymore.
There are too many things that I don't like about him... certain policies. Perhaps you have a better grasp on who he is simply because he is from your state, but to me he is some unknown guy. There are too many things that I don't trust about him and his friends.
His friends...you mean the ones that are positioned to make you only think & see the worst? Do you ever take the time to pay attention to the agendas of the shit that's thrown out there?

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I would never personally associate with the people he has surrounded himself with. If I was dating this guy - I would hall ass in the other direction - I am certainly not about to elect him to be in charge of my country.
Well if you were dating from only sound bites I would be concerned about your love life anyway....

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Besides, look at the condition of Illinois.... Shootings all over the news, high crime rate, high drug rates, high unemployment...
I don't know if you've noticed but this is all over the country, not just in Chicago.

Now as to the shootings...there is a turf war & battle going on between a new gang that is trying to dominate the neighborhoods. See this is also happening in L.A. It's just that it's so common there that it's not really newsworthy. I make that comment because of recently visiting an old friend there & he was talking about that very issue. Also a lot of this is related to M 13 & gang wars between Mexicans & Blacks. It's also the same thing in Chicago.
One note on unemployment. Actually overall Chicago is not doing that bad compared to other places in the country. It certainly is no more than most other places in the country.

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Sorry, but he hasn't done much around yer parts, and since he can't fix one state, why would I give him forty-nine more?????
How could he fix the entire state? He is one of MANY representatives there. Sorry that makes no sense. Please think that through....
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