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Originally Posted by wolf_22
btu those sperm have the potential to turn into humans. al they have to do is join with a ovum, implant in the uteren wall, and keep growing.
a fetus can grow into a person as well, all they have to do is keep growing and developing.
they are both pre-life
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Clearly, you don't understand the difference between potential and actualization. Sure, sperm cells and eggs represent the potential to become new human beings if they get together. Potential, however is not reality. A cloud coming over represents potential rain but if the rain doesn't fall, then the potential of that cloud was never realized.
Once sperm and egg get together and fertilization is complete, all of the potential of both sperm and egg are realized. A new human being exists, is alive and is groiwng. From that point on, the potential of the sperm and egg is realized. Now you have a potential doctor, or a potential teacher, or a potential carpenter, or a potential crack dealer but not a potential human being.
It is scientific fact that we are living human beings from the time we are concieved. Unless you can show some credible science to dispute that fact, you are going to lose this argument since even you have admitted that you can not change reality by applying a philosophical concept to reality.
I do invite you to provide some credible science that talks about "pre life". This is a term that you, or some non scientist has made up wolf. It isn't valid any more than you calling a grape an orange. Either provide some credible science or give up your invalid point. The purpose of philosophy isn't to argue against scientific fact and philosophy can never win a scientific argument when scientific fact is present.
You can argue philosophically whether or not it is OK to kill unborn human beings and you may or may not win the discussion, but you can never successfully use philosophy to argue that unborns aren't living human beings because the hard science overwhelmingly proves you wrong.
I appreciate that you are trying your hand at philosophy here wolf, but God love ya, you just don't have a firm enough grasp of the basics to get through this. You keep getting off on these tangents. When philosophy isn't working out for you, you switch to science, and when the science proves you wrong, you start trying to disregard scientific fact and insert your beliefs as if what you believed could change scientific fact.