Originally Posted by PaleRider

Finally. So we agree that you can't change a living human being into something else by simply applying a philosophical concept to them. We are what we are. If an unborn is a living human being, no amount of philosophy is going to change them into something else.

its not a human

Value is an entirely different thing. I may value you very little (theoretically) or I may find you of no value at all. Does the amount of value that I (or anyone else for that matter) place upon you have anything at all to do with what you are and the inherent rights that go along with being what you are (a living human being)?

Now your abilities may make you more or less valuable in the marketplace with regard to the work you do. If you have rare or exceptional abilities you may be worth more than someone else who has lesser or more common skills as an employee, just as a rare or exceptional baseball card may be worth more to a collector. Your worth as an employee, that is what someone is willing to pay you to do a job for them (and technically a baseball card does a job for its owner) has nothing at all to do with your basic human rights.