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I deny we are humans at conception for many scientific and biblical reasons.
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I have been asking for some credible science that states that the offspring of two human beings is ever anything but a human being for quite some time now. You claim scientific reasons for denying that unborns are living human beings. Lets see the science.
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You are yet to tell us anything that proves otherwise pale rider.
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I have provided quote after quote after quote from medical school textbooks on the subjects of embryology, fetology, human developmental biology, OB/Gyn and respected, peer reviewed medical journals that state explicitly that we are living human beings from the time we are concieved. To date, I haven't seen a shred of credible science that states otherwise. If there were even a debate among the scientific community, there would be some credible sceince that the pro choice side could reference.
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How do you feel about birth control which causes more abortions than do doctors in abortion clinics?
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Any birth control device or drug that has abortificient effects should be banned when roe is overturned on the basis of the personhood of the unborn as devices and drugs that cause their deaths would be a violation of their 14th amendment rights.
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How do you feel about fertility clinics that throw fertilized embryos out in the trash each day?
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I don't think that fertility clinics should be allowed to fertilize more than one egg at a time. If the proceedure becomes too expensive for most couples as a result of the restriction, then adoption is an option.
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How do you feel about cloning?
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If you are talking about cloning spare parts that doesn't involve embryos, then I have no objection to the proceedure. If you are talking about cloning human beings I don't have any specific objection to that proceedure either so long as the clone is recognized as a human being and is entitled to all of the rights any other human being would expect. If you are talking about growing and killing embryos for medical purposes, then I object to that practice on the same basis as abortion.
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All this and religion goes hand in hand with the science of humanity and our bodies and souls. I have yet to see you say anything specific about any of these topics pale rider. All you have said is how you feel.
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I don't need to bring religion into the discussion to tear your pro choice argument into small pieces. This issue is about human rights, not religion. And I have said nothing about the way I feel.
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Got news for you people feel all sorts of things, doesn't make them right.
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Of course, I can prove that I am right. There is not a single aspect of my argument that I can't prove. Which aspect of yours are you able to prove?