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Originally Posted by marmalade6
1. The personhood of a fetus/embryo is under discussion and not yet set by law.
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That is the whole purpose of this discussion. To explore the constitutionality of the roe decision. The fact is, however, that personhood has been established. People are in jail today having been charged , convicted, and sentenced for both manslaugher and murder in the deaths of unborns. In this country, you can not even be charged for manslaughter or murder, much less convicted and sentenced unless you have killed a person. I don't believe that it was the judicial system's intention to establish personhood for the unborn, but that is what they have done and at this point, it is a bit late to try and put the geni back in the bottle. The court is waiting for cases to work their way through the lower courts even as we speak. You may not like it, but it is what it is. Even justice Ginsburg sees the writing on the wall.
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Originally Posted by marmalade6
2. You argue that through my own actions, I put fetus into a totally dependent situaton. Yes, so to speak, but to clarify, such situation wouldn't exist w/o the sperm owner's input, which neither of us may have anticipated, and which you have yet addressed. And, the fact is is that you could put me out within hours, at landing, while I am facing nine months of life abeyance activity comprised of thought, caring, nurturing that you would have in effect been responsible for. There is no correlation, here.
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Failure to adequately consider all of the possible consequences of a particular course of action is not a valid reason to kill another human being. The problem with all pro choice arguments is that you assume that unborns are not human beings when the fact is that legal precedent establishing their personhood is growing all of the time. If you can't make an argument for killing unborns that you can apply to killing anyone else, then your argument must fail since you have not proved that unborns are not living human beings. You must prove that unborns are not human beings before you can make a valid case for killing them for any other reason than self defense.