I have been involved in a discussion with a few ladies on another thread and it seems that their entire position on abortion rests, and depends upon the idea that unborns aren't alive.

This leads me to wonder how many folks there are who actually believe that there is a third state in which we can exist that is neither alive nor dead. There doesn't seem to be any real discussion among scientists, even those who are pro choice as to whether unborns are alive at any stage of development. There is a great deal of discussion as to whether it is OK to kill them, or use them in scientific experiments, but none with regard to whether or not they are alive.

In this other conversation, whenever one of these ladies suggested that unborns aren't alive, I asked for some sort of credible science to support their claim that they weren't alive or that there was some third state that we can exist in that is neither alive nor dead, but they never provided anything that resembled credible support for their position.


"What you can't seem to get in that nog of yours is that all that scientific mumbo jumbo you have doesn't mean shit. "

"Your "scientific facts" are worthless in the REAL WORLD...."

"a fetus is not alive. and I stand by everything I've said"

"fetuses aren't alive. deal with it."

"a fetus is pre-life. its not alive. "

"When life begins? Nope! You wont find credible scientific thought on it. It's not a medical/scientific question. "

"And, major medical schools, not the small ones affiliated with religious organizations, did not deal with issues of when life begins. At least up to 1971, they didn't."

"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk."

My question isn't whether it is OK to terminate a pregnancy, or whether it is OK to use embryos in scientific experiments. My question is whether or not you believe that we are alive from the time we are concieved; and if you don't believe that we are alive at any stage of our lives, what exactly, do you base this belief on?

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