Originally Posted by mulp

The shooter in Illinois bought the guns legally and had the licenses to carry the two hand guns.

And I wonder if a few dozen students diving for their guns and then engaging in a fire fight in a room filled with people diving for their guns, and screaming and trying to run out, and all the general panic would have reduced the number of dead and wounded or increased the number.

If someone from the back of the room fired a shot that came close to you, would you be unreasonable in fearing that he was part of the terror plot and then turning your fire on him? How do you know he is just shooting wild and not trying to kill you?

And perhaps someone can remind us about the trained soldiers at Kent State and how well they fired only at those threatening them with gun fire....

But that too is an example of the cost of free speech and the cost of the second amendment. Four patriots died at Kent State for out liberty.

And if the people killed on 911 were heroic patriots, then surely the people who died at Kent State or in that lecture hall are heroic patriots too.