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Originally Posted by steve k
You may not agree with the Iraq War and I respect that disention. Had I known how the majority of this war would have been fought I would have dissented as well. However, the Constitution states that the Commander-in-Chief is the top military man in the country and military, defense and war funding is spent to protect the interests of the United States which supports the infra-structure. The same cannot be said for an abortion. With one, the Constitution is on his side and the other isn't. Furthermore, if the Congress decides they want to halt the funding for the war (considering that's why a lot of people put them as the majority) then they should have the "testicular fortitude" to do so.
I would welcome the chance to discuss these and any other issues you'd like to discuss. I enjoy the discussion.
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I am going to come back to abortion and keep it there, I think it is important to the argument and the thread. It is my fault for going the other way for second but I was illustrating a point.
Steve, these are the very brutal realities of human nature and society:
We are designed to pro-create and we WILL HAVE SEX regardless of themost stance views about religion, sex, chastity. Everything that is a biological entity on the planet is designed to pro-create. And, not in a million years is anyone with some 'pie in the sky' view of morals and values going convince me that every child born has a high % chance or becoming the next nobel prize winner let alone a person who is not depedent (somehow) on society in some way, shape, or form to exist.
So you don't want gov funded abortion for an unwanted new person to be put into society?
Now, many more of your tax $s will be used to later aid that person all the way from adoption services by the state to special educational services in public schools, to drug rehab services---to paying more for a criminal justice and penal system when that future person becomes a lawbreaker. Remember these are your tax payers dollars and you, as a conservative, don't want to pay all this money out for these things.
Brutal? Nope, look at %s Steve, the numbers are with me on this. And, we can talk about 'morals and values' too---religious compassion, but in the end it is better to give an abortion rather than go for an unwanted pregnancy and the domino effect 'on your tax payer $.' This is an unwanted human being that nobody gives a sh*t about enough to raise properly from the beginning. Conservatives want people to be self-reliant? This person in no way will be able to be self-reliant because they are not going to be put into a 'training cycle' of self reliant or productive.
In far more primative societies a retarded or deformed baby was left out the wild to die. Yep, brutal. Before you take that step how about the society offering the abortion?
Sorry, but this is where I see myself as being a moderate and go with the brutal reality of what our taxes do pay for. I will go for the much chealer abortion rather than a real drain on the whole system later.